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Post by Kay4077 on Apr 3, 2005 19:05:59 GMT
So, come on, what do you all think of the Charles/Margaret relationship?
I've written a couple of C/M stories, but when I have my 'logical' hat on (which doesn't happen often) I don't think Charles would ever have married her, because Margaret's past love-life made Martine's look positively tame. However, I certainly wouldn't rule out his wanting to sleep with her - I think they definitely fancied each other, and a lot of their arguing was kind of a way of covering that/not admitting it to themselves.
I thought it was so sweet in GFA when Margaret was driving away - it was Charles she looked back at, and he put his hand over his heart.
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Post by Jenna on Apr 3, 2005 19:15:41 GMT
I agree with you on the fact that he wouldn't have married her but I definately think he'd sleep with her. I think Margaret is physically attracted to Charles (Have a look at the early days of S6) and he's also attracted to her.
The looks exchanged between them in Goodbye, Farewell and Amen was lovely and a lot more genuine than the kiss between Hawkeye and Margaret. Plus he was the last one she looked at when her jeep pulled out of the camp. That's got to say something about their relationship.
Plus I like CM fanfics. They're fun and they make a change from HM fanfics
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Post by majordisaster53 on Apr 7, 2005 15:13:12 GMT
I love the CM relationship. I think they'd make a good couple. I can't see them marrying though. Charles places too much importance on social standing and his family's opinion. They had good chemistry though. THey were cute together.
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Post by Kay4077 on Apr 8, 2005 18:01:26 GMT
I can't see them marrying though. Charles places too much importance on social standing and his family's opinion. I think that's true when he first joins MASH, but I think the social standing thing became less important to him by the end. What DID matter to him - as it did to most people in that era, it's not a 'class' thing - was more to do with morals. I don't think Martine came from a great social background, but I think he'd have overlooked that if she hadn't had such a casual (for those days) attitude to sex. And yes, I know he was quite happy to fall into bed with her himself but, as he said, "This isn't Boston." So poor ol' Margaret would realistically have had no chance on the marriage front (but it's still fun to read fics that make it work!) |
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Post by Louise on Apr 8, 2005 19:00:04 GMT
Did he sleep with Martine? I never understood whether he did or not.
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Post by majordisaster53 on Apr 8, 2005 21:51:20 GMT
What DID matter to him - as it did to most people in that era, it's not a 'class' thing - was more to do with morals. I have to agree with you. I never even thought of people's moral standings in the 50s. But now that you've said it I can totally see your point. Poor Martine -- I completely forgot about her. |
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Post by Kay4077 on Apr 9, 2005 10:28:18 GMT
Did he sleep with Martine? I never understood whether he did or not. Yes he did!  That's what she meant when she asked him about being "compatible", and it's why he replied that "yes we were - but this isn't Boston". Producers & writers had to do things more subtly in those days! |
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Post by majordisaster53 on Apr 10, 2005 4:40:46 GMT
Yes he did! That's what she meant when she asked him about being "compatible", and it's why he replied that "yes we were - but this isn't Boston". Producers & writers had to do things more subtly in those days! You know, the more we talk about these episodes, the more I realize just how much is cut out of them. Stupid Fox grrrrr  . OK I'm done complaining. Anyways, I've always loved how he stroked her hand with his thumb. Always made the scene so much more real. David always seems to do those little things that make a scene more genuine. |
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Post by stanford9 on May 11, 2005 13:13:12 GMT
Here's my two cents' worth.
Margaret compared to Martine: the crux is that Charles freaks when he'd found out she'd lived with a man who wasn't her husband.
Charles of course knows Margaret's not a virgin. Hell, he knew Martine wasn't, I think they'd already done it. It was that social thingie. Living together, in the 40's and 50's? A bit too Bohemian for Charles' conservative upbringing.
Now, I'm addressing the C/M and marriage issue in my story, Sonnets in the Dark.
Has anyone wondered who Margaret's mother's family is?
I hate to be accused of almost-mary sue'ing by bringing something of myself into the picture, but I am going to tie Margaret into a prominent Connecticut family, the Spencers of Hartford. Yep, my grandma was a Spencer. I've got the hoity-toity New England blue-blood going like CEW does. We suspect that this Spencer line is connected to Princess Diana (she was almost a spitting image of my sister). Making her a Spencer-Gregory like I am would be a bit too close, she'd be my darned cousin!
But the Spencers and Gregorys have both been in the US since the early 1600's, and both are from noble lines in England (Nottingham for the Gregorys).
So, that issue will be covered. Charles' family could certainly not object to being tied to the Spencers of Connecticut, now could they?
I know this isn't canon, but they didn't really address it yea or nay, did they?
Another thing I've thought of: What religion is Margaret? I'm pretty sure she's not Catholic, based on how she and Mulcahy interacted. There was no indicator that she was. I know Charles wouldn't marry a Catholic. I've decided she's of a protestant Irish family of Houlihan, and she's Episcopalian. He's Presbyterian, so the two should be acceptable.
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Post by Kay4077 on May 11, 2005 20:01:13 GMT
Has anyone wondered who Margaret's mother's family is?. Interesting idea! Don't think Margaret says very much about her mother at all during the entire series, does she? (and even if she did, hey, her dad went from being dead to being merely divorced!  ) Another thing I've thought of: What religion is Margaret? I'm pretty sure she's not Catholic, based on how she and Mulcahy interacted. There was no indicator that she was. I know Charles wouldn't marry a Catholic. I've decided she's of a protestant Irish family of Houlihan, and she's Episcopalian. He's Presbyterian, so the two should be acceptable. Don't think either Charles or Margaret are especially religious, are they, though doubtless they'd have been taken along to Sunday School (do you call it that in the States?) when they were kids. Charles makes a point, more than once, of saying to Mulcahy "I'm not a religious man, Father, as you know..." |
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Post by stanford9 on May 11, 2005 21:10:21 GMT
Yep, it's Sunday school in the States too We don't have Religious Education, though, like you folks do (my son went to school in London for two years, when he lived there with my sister and had RE.) I don't think Charles is personally religious, but I think when it comes to marriage and family, he is. I know he's Presbyterian at least, so he's mentioned that. Hmmm, I just did some ciphering. LS was about 44 when GFA was done. Since most characters' ages can be stepped back about five years, she'd be about 39 on the show? Potentially a baby in the picture, y'all think, in my stories? Cuz if so, it would have to be soon, she ain't getting any younger. (Sorry, I should take this to the fanfiction thread, shouldn't I? But it IS talking about her on the TV show, after all...) |
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Post by Kay4077 on May 12, 2005 17:23:50 GMT
Hmmm, I just did some ciphering. LS was about 44 when GFA was done. Since most characters' ages can be stepped back about five years, she'd be about 39 on the show? Potentially a baby in the picture, y'all think, in my stories? Cuz if so, it would have to be soon, she ain't getting any younger. I always thought of Margaret as being in her mid - late 30s (well, late by the time of GFA anyway!), so I think there's definitely scope for a baby or two. Especially if they keep, you know, doing what they're doing in your story! ;D |
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Post by stanford9 on May 14, 2005 6:23:08 GMT
Trapper's chosen to be Chief Surgeon by Henry, and the camp conducts a big ceremony, crowning him (his scepter is a toilet plunger).
He says the following, pointing to Margaret:
A virgin, bring me a virgin! That one! No, THAT ONE! The sultry wench with fire in her eyes! Bring her to me, I want her!
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Post by stanford9 on May 22, 2005 6:52:28 GMT
Look what someone replied to one of my posts: (this is a quote: "You write CM, right? Where may I find your stories? I'm also a slasher, however, CM is infinately more believable than HM, and I will read it." ) sg1niner wrote: I forgot to add this. I've got an article I'm slowly adding to that outlines the C/M 'ship, citing examples from episodes. My buddies at the CEWIII forum have been giving me more as they think of them or see them in current showings. So I'm not just making this stuff up Any way, if you're interested, go here: sg1ninerfanfic.blogspot.com/2005/05/mash-charles-and-margaret-ship.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ahaha, no, I know you're not making it up. When Charles first got to the 4077th, they flirted something fierce. I may prefer slash, but I can recognize sexual tension when I see it, especially when it's that obvious. ^_^ -Sara (sarcasticsra) |
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Post by Kay4077 on May 19, 2006 13:23:33 GMT
Whatever happened to this, stanford? Has it been moved or (sob!) deleted altogether?  |
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